Save Our Trees
We recently learned that Billinge Family Church Ltd, a member of the Evangelical Alliance, has extended the tarmacadam surface of its car park under the canopies of the protected trees along Crank Road, to accommodate a row of cars. However, whilst this extension would have required planning permission from Wigan Council,
no such permission has ever been granted.
The roots of trees with preservation orders on them are protected. By covering them with tarmacadam in this way, this church has placed them in great danger of oxygen and water depletion, which could easily lead to their premature destruction.
Please comment as to what these trees mean to you and as to what should be done about this situation?
They appear to do a lot of things without permission or consideration .Do you know of any other abuses?
ReplyDeleteObviously Mr Kerry thinks he is above the law and has no concern for his neighbours or his surroundings and so should be held accountable for his actions, lets hope the council will finally see through the smoke screen and come down hard on this business organisation which is not a church and does not benefit the residents of Billinge. !!
ReplyDeleteA recent book review by Gaby Wood, in 'The Daily Telegraph', describes a system whereby people '... think they have a right to live at the expense of others, and are disinclined to question their assumptions, and that no matter how arbitrary the victims, they will always find a logic.' He was referring to the Nazis.
Deleteooh obviously the truth hurts a real "Billinge'r" wouldn't agree with the money making machine that is Billinge family organisation is ( not CHURCH)
DeleteThis establishment has never been given church status as it has never been granted change of use. It has noisy goings on and completely ignores the residents requests to respect them and the area they live in .They will do as they please no matter what and if you are a real Billinger you would understand that elderly people do not want to live near a noisy youth club and football field.
DeleteWhat would the residents do if a school was there?? Are they 'BFC' not allowed to hold regular church services like other churches. The church is very popular and it seems to me a minority of people do not want a church that is vibrant and growing on their door step?
Deletewhat a load of utter rubbish, for a start this is a housing estate where there has never been or likely to have a school in the middle of it, and secondly this is not a vibrant church it is a business organisation it holds a service on a Sunday morning where by the way its members are rude, abusive physically and verbally to the small number residents that actually live here and picket rightfully so on a Sunday morning ! they have more support from this area than you will ever have for that B F C, that's it ,the rest of the time it rents out its premises to other parties to make money it is not legally a church and the pastor a man who has no theological training has decided to call himself a "Pastor", the grounds are rented out to youths for live band nights and live music gigs as well as private birthday celebrations and other parties also conferences that last up to 3 days sometimes with no thought to the residents who live here, churches do not behave in the way this place does, thirdly it is in no way shape or form a minority of people who are against this man and his greed for making money you under estimate the amount of people here who are standing together !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! why don't you try not being able to sit in your garden peacefully and see how you like it ? and NO non of us will move!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DeleteAre most schools not built in the middle of housing estates? Check out the schools in Billinge and Orrell.
DeleteNow, I've looked up the word church. It refers to all Christian believers...not a building. Now, it figures that if The church meets somewhere then that is a church building. A little like where you keep a horse is a stable, by definition.
DeleteThis is also a smokeless zone so he can stop lighting fires for a start. All that smoke from his screen will give people a bad chest not to mention discolouring any washing that’s on their lines. Can you imagine trying to sleep when your bed sheets smell like a kipper? It should be reported to environmental health.
DeleteSo it is true that church members are rude and try to intimidate the residents of this area, DISGRACEFULL. B F C
DeleteYou say disgraceful - yet your offensive and disgraceful remarks about individuals and church members/visitors does say a lot oboist your own personal standards
Delete110% agree with the above
Deletetell you what lets play a game of tit for tat, no your disgraceful no you are GROW UP !!!
DeleteHere Here!
ReplyDeleteThank You
DeleteThat's very kind of you but all this praise is getting a little embarrassing, I'm only doing what any other idiot would do and there are many more on this site more deserving than me.
DeleteFantastic a blog spot for the residents by the residents of Billinge, well done Underdog !!
ReplyDeleteBeing ex-police i would imagine he has a funny handshake, any masons on here comfirm this?
ReplyDeleteHE IS SUPPOSED TO BE CHRISTIAN, EXCEPT OBVIOUSLY, TO ANYONE WHO GETS IN HIS WAY OR STOPS HIS POWER OVER GETTING HIS OWN WAY, THEN HE APPEARS TO GET NASTY, RESIDENTS HAVE ALWAYS ASKED QUESTIONS, POLITLY, HIS REPLYS ARE OFF HAND, OR OFFENSIVE, "VERY CHRISTIAN"
ReplyDeleteThat church and its members don't know the meaning of the word "Christian", there are better Christians walking our streets, this is a beautiful rural area we live in everyone knows how important the conservation and management of trees and wildlife are, except of course Pastor Kerry his "hand shakes" appear to grant him whatever he wishes, never mind the law rules and regulations !!!!
DeleteIsn't it amazing that every none Christian seems to know exactly how a Christian should behave.....where do they get their reference from???
DeleteREAL CHRISTIANS BEHAVE RESPECTFULLY TO OTHERS AND DONT GO TO B, F. C.
DeleteIs that the Oxford English Dictionary definition?
DeleteAnother example of the above posters attitudes towards the residents of this area very Christian and very clever we see you for who you truly are HYPOCRYTES .
DeleteTo cut down a tree just to make way for more parking is an absolute disgrace and the tree officer at Wigan council should take action against this man who thinks he is above the law and calls himself a pastor ( he,s pasta caring) . He is power mad.
ReplyDeleteI remember when the whole of the estate around that church was farmers fields so it's a bit hypocritical to have a go for putting tarmac down for some cars.
DeleteThat's not brainwashed, it's fact. What do you not agree with in my statement. If farming land, including trees hadn't been built over the estate wouldn't have been there.
Deleteabove poster are you on this planet ?
Deletewhat is a few trees when he wants more followers for more in his collection plate
ReplyDeleteObviously nothing to this church. They seem not to care at all for this area. They are like a big cuckoo that has taken over our nest!!
DeleteCuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo, Is it that time already?
Deleteoh is that you acknowledging that your time is up round here ????
DeleteExactly !! this is all what matters at the end of the day MONEY and we all know he doesn't have a collection plate but a big bucket to hold all the pound notes that his brain washed followers throw in in addition to their direct debits that are set up to put 10% of their salaries into Pastor Kerry's already healthy bank account.
ReplyDeletePound notes? You're joking aren't you?
Deleteof course not !!
DeletePOUND NOTES? Disnt know we were still using these in Billinge...
Deletethat's BECAUSE YOURE NOT A REAL BILLINGER AND ARE OBVIOUSLY FOR THE CHURCH !!
DeleteI can trace my family back to 1700 in Billinge. Where do you come from and how long have you been here? I'm certainly not against the church. There are far worse things I could think of other than a church in the area.
DeleteREAL BILLINGER you are killing me, please carry on with your silly comments !!
DeleteBut he does keep hitting the nail on head ! Keep it up RB you inspire me
Deletehi billinger, which part of billinge do you come from? obviously not the houses directly behind this sham of a "church" run by an ex copper that probably got his pastor title off the internet its not a church, just a place where all these outsiders can bring their kids to let off steam,while they have a coffee with their chums, if they were real Christians, they would put other peoples feelings, before a little sing song on a sunday
DeleteVery well said above poster
DeleteThis action has put our beautiful area at risk and could well kill these lovely trees. How dare this church act in such a reckless manner! They are definitely not fit custodians of the area. And they should be held to account for this - and for all the other anti-community actions they have undertaken. How on earth can they call themselves Christians?
ReplyDeleteThey aren't Christians !!!
ReplyDeleteIve heard they eat babies too.
DeleteVILLAGE IDOT strikes again has anyone else noticed this person is not right in the HEAD !!
DeleteIf that's the case it's quiet obvious that he's in good company with this lot
DeleteYes but I can spell IDIOT
DeletePerhaps ! but your intelligence is 0 !!
DeleteIt is time the council closed down this outfit
ReplyDeleteI've learned to whistle using my big toes :-) dead chuffed can't stop smiling
DeleteReally obviously should be in the CIRCUS !
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DeleteOr he could join the weekly Pantomime and stand around waving offensive banners partnered up with a paper mâché Bertie Bassett looks like
here here !!
ReplyDeleteI've checked out the Storehouse, it's a charity. It's a non-profit organisation so he can't get a wage from it. Also, would anybody receiving from a charity when suffering hardship tell everyone that they are a charity case. How do you know no one in Billinge has benefited.
ReplyDeleteWhere do you people get your info from...if you want to have credibility you need to get your facts straight instead of wild speculation and conjecture.
Brain washed or what ?
Deletenot brain washed BRAIN DEAD PUBLISH WHO HAS RECEIVED ANY THING APART FROM THE BRAIN DEAD
DeleteVery articulate and intelligent retort. What a strong argument.
DeleteReal Billinger there you go again always on the attack ,please tell me why is it that the donations of furniture that are asked for to supposedly give to the needy, why is that furniture sold to anyone who will buy it , that's not giving is it ??
DeleteHaha, where do you get your information from?! Obviously this site hasn't been designed to print the truth, but that takes the biscuit. Please, keep posting on this, it only serves to make you look bitter and uninformed.
DeleteHA HA , hit the nail on the head have I, why does B F C LTD, sell its DONATED FURNITURE at the Cheshire auction house free of paying commission, and where does the money go from the sale of that furniture ? and yes this is exactly the reason for this site to print the TRUTH uniformed no ! facts clearly to see by all, its wonderful this internet and all the information you can find.
DeleteFurniture that is not suitable for distribution, ie old fashioned and vintage that nobody wants these days is sold and ALL proceeds go back into storehouse coffers to maintain this FREE service.
DeleteTo assue make an ASS of U and ME.
Like I said in a previous post this blog should not be used as platform to verbally attack a person. It seems that some people on here are also directing comments towards the congregation of the church. People need to be careful what they write on these blogs!
ReplyDeleteFreedom of speech !!
Deleteyou seem to be very defensive of the B F C, It sounds from your replies that you are not a local resident so you wouldn't know how the B F C affects the local community ( noise, parking, ignorance bullying) . So if you and your Pastor had anything about you. Shouldn't you communicate with the local residents, especially those that live on the boundry of B F C . Stop the bullying tactics towards the residents and talk as Christians would.
DeleteVery easy to vent your spleen on here but when the opportunity to speak out at a council meeting regarding the proposed planning application......NO ONE turned up??.??
ReplyDeleteReally why not tell the truth to the residents that although a meeting was set up only one member from the residents was allowed to be present when the church had about four to five members present, which was totally unreasonable, now come on tell it how it is, !!!
DeleteYou really need to speak to whoever is in charge of your protest because they really aren't doing you any justice. This statement couldn't be any further from the truth.
DeleteSounds like the leader of the pack is telling the other residents porkies.
DeleteEach party was allowed two delegates. The church sent two, the residents sent none. In fact they DECLINED to attend at all.
Deleteoh come now we know how you like to distort the facts but a meeting containing more church members than residents sounds like a fair meeting doesn't it?
DeleteYou did not send any delegates. FACT!
DeleteThe residents were not invited to this meeting which took place on July 2nd. The residents received a letter, dated 19th June, from Sergeant John Scott and Sally Webster, and this was a meeting to be held in Wigan Police Station between the residents, the police and the council.
DeleteWe never ever received a written invitation to attend the meeting with the police, the council, Billinge Family Church and the residents. Furthermore, we received neither a written agenda nor a list of attendees. We have written to the police telling them that they do things in a very unprofessional manner.
Even the police can't escape your complaining. Is there anything you don't complain about?
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ReplyDeleteWhat a cruel, spiteful and immature comment to make - can you detail what proof you have to make such a obscene allegation within public domain? I would suggest that you are probably the most unlikely person to have first hand knowledge of the recipients of goods, food parcels or otherwise. Furthermore to label people 'puppets' is totally deplorable and really does say a lot more about you, than them.
Poster above ever heard of finding information out on the internet about people and places, it's amazing !!!
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DeleteIs that the World Wide Web ? So that's what www and internet stands for- your a hero don't know how I've survived so long without your support and advice. Reasonably conversant however with IT and my comments stand. You can play about with the posts adding or deleting as you see fit. It doesn't change the fact you know nothing about the Storehouse who benefits and how it benefits the community. If you did, the posters wouldn't be ridiculing the volunteers or the recipients # coldhearts or other named individuals.
Oh dear truth hurting again? you really should view your own web pages ! perhaps you should think of sacking your web designer ! if you don't want the public to see what your up to !! FACT
DeleteI am quite disappointed with this Blog, it is losing the purpose for what it was created Guys! We agreed that it would be a forum regarding our disagreements with BFC, but it seems to be that some of us are losing it, sorry, but that's what's happening. Can we get back on track Mr Chairman (of Residents Committee) . As a resident I want to see things done in a non personal way. A Local of Poets Estate
ReplyDeleteLosing it - for sure . Have you seen the price of tinned peas in Aldi it's a complete nonsense. You think you have it hard
DeleteYes I agree, if you have a valid point to make raise it but all the personal comments need to stop. I am a local resident, but from what I can see there is a deterioration in the use of this blog. Some of the comments that have been made are downright rude & offensive.
DeleteWell said above poster, the church members are obviously using this site to attack the residents of this area it speaks volumes to us all !!
DeleteNope not entirely sure the rude and offensive was directed towards BFC and the outsiders- others seem to have capitalised on that field of targeted aggression. People who live in glass house shouldn't throw stones
DeleteAnyone loan me a. Chocolate Fireguard pretty please
ReplyDeleteCan you not stick it in your gob !!
DeleteI was thinking of something entirely different - but you've given me an idea....
Deleteooh bat for the other side do you ? interesting
DeleteIt's quite obvious that the administrator of the site is incapable of moderating or controlling the site and will not therefore take the right and responsible action to close it down.
ReplyDeletePreferring instead to pour fuel on the fire and allow people to verbally abuse each other and make scathing accusations with no moderation at all.
The longer you keep it a live blog, the bigger the fool you are ! If it's what you intended you have achieved your goal but have some sense of decorum and shut it down.
From my point of view, the day BFC asked to move into the said premises, in Crank Road, we the BILLINGE RESIDENTS who back onto the so "called Church " should NOT have allowed you to come from the start. We are FED UP with the constant NOISE that comes from the building, DAY AND NIGHT from the activities that go on there, inside and outside , with screaming children, and adults, till 9pm at night.... and the band playing on drums, electric guitars which is deafening.
ReplyDeleteYou as members of the church should respect the people WHO LIVE HERE,we where here long before you came... You obviously don't. There is no other church is this area makes as much noise as yourselves, if you were like Bispham Methodist Church further down the road, we would not have a problem!!!!!
Getting back to the issue of TREES its very obvious B F C do what they like regarding manage of the trees, they dig up, remove, anything they can to make more room for cars to park, they really don't care as long as it makes way for a car space, the trees are protected for a reason and as such permission is necessary from the council but hey what does that matter to an organisation who has total disrespect for the area it is situated in.
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